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Going against the Jumhūr "...were indeed just a few"

d_dhahiri
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Whenever the Dhāhiriyyah differ from the four (Madhāhib), this in of itself is not proof that the Dhāhirīs are wrong on their conclusion.

 

Allāh said:

وَاِذَا جَآءَهُمۡ اَمۡرٌ مِّنَ الۡاَمۡنِ اَوِ الۡخَـوۡفِ اَذَاعُوۡا بِهٖ​ وَلَوۡ رَدُّوۡهُ اِلَى الرَّسُوۡلِ وَاِلٰٓى اُولِى الۡاَمۡرِ مِنۡهُمۡ لَعَلِمَهُ الَّذِيۡنَ يَسۡتَنۡۢبِطُوۡنَهٗ مِنۡهُمۡ​ؕ وَلَوۡلَا فَضۡلُ اللّٰهِ عَلَيۡكُمۡ وَرَحۡمَتُهٗ لَاتَّبَعۡتُمُ الشَّيۡطٰنَ اِلَّا قَلِيۡلً

Paraphrased:

Whenever they come upon any news bearing upon either security or causing consternation they go about spreading it, whereas if they were to convey it to either the Messenger or to those from among them who are entrusted with authority, it would come to the knowledge of those who are competent to investigate it. But for Allāh's bounty and mercy upon you, (weak as you were) all but a few of you would surely have followed Satan.

And elsewhere,

وَمَنۡ اٰمَنَ​ؕ وَمَاۤ اٰمَنَ مَعَهٗۤ اِلَّا قَلِيۡلٌ

Paraphrased,

 

...and also take everyone who believes. But those who, along with him, had believed were indeed just a few.

 

These Āyāt, amongst others, highlights that being amongst the few does not automatically mean you are upon falsehood or you have arrived upon the wrong conclusion.

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Topic starter Posted : 30/11/2020 11:40 pm
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qalbi1435
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Still heart . . .

Correct.

And I think what further encourages or allows for this view to be propagated (that a position is less right when in the minority), among other things, is the implicit understanding that these views were all that existed.

This implicit understanding is embedded in another: That all views that existed have reached us, or that if there are any other views, they would have been transmitted. Wallahu a'lam...

"[I fight] only for something deep in my heart . . .", — Captain Harlock.

Maktabat Madrasat Al-Qur'an Wal-Hadith Li Dirasat Al-Qur'an Wal-Hadith Wal-'Amal Bihima. (Established in my heart: Rajab 9, 1435.)

https://schoolofhadith.blogspot.com

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Posted : 01/12/2020 5:32 am
qalbi1435
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Still heart . . .

Also:

The above, of course, follows from within a thought-framework in which it is true that only the Texts of the Qur'an and Sunnah have been noted to be preserved. It is only this that is true, as per this framework, because we only have Textual evidence of this being the case. In addition, we know via proof of sensory perception, that it is impossible to take into account the positions of all scholars throughout the lands. That it is seemingly impossible, is something we can witness first-hand.

Furthermore, it is within this framework that we know our roles towards the Texts to be one of subservience, and that we have a binding obligation towards carrying out the directives contained in them. Yet were it possible to take into account the positions of all those whose positions count in a single era, and were we to find them all in agreement on a single issue, we would then know it to be the Truth, because we have Textual evidence to prove that there will always be a group of this Ummah manifest upon the Truth. 

At this point, we have a number of "doors":

Door A (only the Qur'an and Sunnah are preserved), door B (it is impossible to take into account/ascertain positions of all scholars throughout time, or in a single era), door C (our roles towards the Texts is that we are bound by them)...

...All of which are "closed", leaving a Muslim who believes Dhahiri premises are true with no other choice except to either follow the Texts and not the handful of positions that have reached him, in the event the two clash; or to pick from those handful of positions, in the event that one of them accords with the Qur'an and Sunnah.

To "open" one of those doors, requires proof to show that doing so is necessary (making an exception of the general rule), or to show that it was invalidly considered a "door" in the first place (showing that the premise is invalid). At least, this is how I understand it. Wallahu a'lam...

"[I fight] only for something deep in my heart . . .", — Captain Harlock.

Maktabat Madrasat Al-Qur'an Wal-Hadith Li Dirasat Al-Qur'an Wal-Hadith Wal-'Amal Bihima. (Established in my heart: Rajab 9, 1435.)

https://schoolofhadith.blogspot.com

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Posted : 01/12/2020 11:22 am
d_dhahiri
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Coffee + Hatred

To add to this -

Whilst the other group (the Jumhūr in this case) may be tempted in saying "you are against the Ijmā' (of the Muslims)", the one who differs may argue:

1. Am I not a Muslim?

a. If I am not a Muslim, what is your premises for this claim?

b. If I am a Muslim, then how can there be an Ijmā' (consensus) of the Muslims if a Muslim differs, am I disregarded, what's the proof to simply disregard my position?

2. Now that we established I am a Muslim, and we differ, we must implement the command of Allāh “And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allāh and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allāh and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result”

3. Show us your proof from the Qur'ān and Sunnah, as Allāh said, paraphrasing "Bring forth your proof (Burhān) if you are indeed truthful" and the opposite of truthful is a liar, and if you claim you are not a liar then you are ignorant and if you are ignorant then you mustn't speak about Allāh and His Religion "do you say about Allāh that which you do not know?" And elsewhere; "and said with your mouths that of which you had no knowledge and thought it was insignificant while it was, in the sight of Allāh , tremendous." And elsewhere; "Do not concern yourself with things about which you have no knowledge. Verily, your hearing, sight, and heart — all of them will be called to account"

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